After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. and our Now Im working with them at a majorand guess what? At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. Left Virgin for "Paper work issues", never heard that reason before. JavaScript is disabled. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. You must log in or register to reply here. Perhaps the craziest example of this was with King Air N13LY, which didn't record the accident flight but instead "During the flight to Fort Yukon, a radio broadcast from an ESPN radio affiliate was received and recorded on channel 1 of the CVR. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . Le 23 fvrier 2019, un Boeing 767 cargo effectuant le vol Atlas Air 3591 pour le compte d'Amazon Air, entre l'aroport international de Miami, en Floride, et l'aroport intercontinental George-Bush de Houston, au Texas, s'crase Trinity Bay, prs de la ville d'Anahuac, lors de son approche sur Houston.Les deux membres d'quipage et le seul passager prsent bord meurent dans l . The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. [3], The aircraft had three crew members (two pilots and a flight attendant). Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. This was the second approach to runway 1 . But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. See this is my problem with the industry. For more information, please see our I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. FO had sleep apnea and did not use the CPAP machine the night before, where he only got about ~ 5 hrs sleep. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. 2008-2023 by The Aviation Herald, all rights reserved, reprint and republishing prohibited. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. The non-flying pilot was a female captain with a history of training failures. The initial part of the flight was uneventful. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? At 11:01EST, Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center cleared the aircraft to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle, and the pilots initiated an instrument landing system (ILS) approach. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. The airplane was substantially damaged. Contributing to the accident was also the first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias and the failure of at least six pilots who had observed the localizer misalignment to report it to the company and air traffic before the accident. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. Release the hooks of the hook plate and remove it. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. Biggest teller? Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. Hello world! DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: This isnt surprising to me at all. What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. Date: June 5, 2015 . At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Low bid contractor you get what you pay for. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. CA had a checkered (failure) history. The pilots conversed directly with airport maintenance staff because Presque Isle International Airport did not have a local, National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Accident Final Report, "NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle", "5 injured after flight from Newark slides off snowy runway in Maine", "Safety board says cockpit crew caused 2019 Presque Isle crash landing", "Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1120030447, This page was last edited on 4 November 2022, at 18:29. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Accident. Also big Yikes. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. The subscription is only 240 including 20% VAT per year, subscribers outside of the European Union save the VAT and pay only 200 . Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. What a douche. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. The airplane was substantially damaged. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. So we fired him. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. 28 pax/3 crew. The benefits of subscriptionGet the news right onto your desktop when they happenPut the news on your website/in your newspaper. It was a woman. [7], The NTSB identified the first officer's lack of sleep as a contributing factor. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. Safety Recommendation Report . The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. Subscribe . 6.2 Let CommutAir 4933; This report explains the accident involving Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 529, an EMB-120RT airplane, which experienced the loss of a propeller blade and crashed during an emergency landing near Carrollton, Georgia, on August 21, 1995. . 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Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Press J to jump to the feed. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. I appreciated the NTSBs preliminary report that was issued a few weeks after the crash, which was helpful in determining some of the key facts and allowed the airline and the airport to take immediate steps to increase safety. She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. They have no business being in these cockpits. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. United/CommutAir flight 4933, a 50-seat Embraer EMB-145XR operating as United Express, was scheduled to arrive at PQI on March 4 at 10:49 a.m., according to FlightAware, but instead landed at about 11:30 a.m., and wasn't officially confirmed as having "arrived" at the airport's terminal until 12:30 p.m. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. The first officer was 51 years old and joined CommutAir in May 2018. 3.4. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. Privacy Policy. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. Light to moderate snow was reported by the NTSB. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WAGM) - The National Transportation Safety Board issued a final report on the missed runway incident at the Presque Isle International Airport that happened in 2019. ). The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. So that was a positive. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway.