12-18) Noteworthy is the sentence that says: "Rather than trying to decide whether a certain person, family or group of persons . A few weeks later, the Jehovah's Witnesses closed on a $200 million sale of that building to the private equity firm Kayne Anderson Real Estate Advisors, which plans to turn the property into . In contrast, what the Bible says about Armageddon involves good news, a cause for happiness! (b)Based on Revelation 16:14, 16, why can we say that Armageddon is not a literal place? 17. 4. Sure, they've had growth but its not translated into enough cash to keep the status quo. My concern is that placing the emphasis of the discussion on the days of Noah might give some the false impression that the Bibles reference to the days of Noah would be similar, if not identical, to the History of Noah (Genesis 6:9) Because, immediately prior to the reference to the History of Noah we have the statement in Genesis 6:3: After that Jehovah said: My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. I think it will take another decade (of the older generation of JW's dying off in waves) before the "1914 generation" shit hits the proverbial fan. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Back in 1998, before I read anything apostate, I was having a conversation with an elderly sister about when the end might come. Strictly speaking, it refers to the situation to which the kings of the entire inhabited earth are gathered in opposition to Jehovah. TERMS OF USE The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. Armageddon meaning jehovah witness. 2034 may be the next 1975, because it will be 120 years since 1914, in the book of Genesis, Jehovah shortens man's life to 120 years. 24:13. The governing body (especially the young ones and future appointees) will panic when they realise that tinkering (15 mins for old publishers and pioneer requirement shifts) has not done the trick. (a)Who is Gog? 70 Replies Note: The tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not included in this list because Dan was guilty of idolatry at Leviticus 24:11; Judges 18:1, 30; and 1 Kings 12:28-30 and Ephraim guilty of idolatry at Hosea 4:17 and Judges 17. Religion is the most profitable legal business because religions can misquote, misrepresent, and use unethical practices without fear of punishment. 37:36) Whatever means God uses, his victory will be complete. 25:31-40. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it . It's obvious to me that leadership needs to fire up the members in some way. 2:9-11; 1 Cor. Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie. I'm surprised they haven't called 9/11 a fulfillment of some prophecy. If it were true, I wouldn't need to worry about Armageddon anyways, as I will surely be dead by then. (Luke 21:36) We must also follow up our prayers by studying Gods Word daily and meditating on it, including its amazing prophecies concerning our times. 17:3,16) That swift destructionas if in one daywill come as a shock to those who supported her. Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. The change in 95 took the wind out of 1) the sails of folks that stuck around after 75 (like my parents that were in their 20s at the time) and 2) the born-ins like me who suddenly realized that we had better plan on getting a real career, get married, have kids and try to live a normal life because there was no longer a end date in sight. They were so specific about this prediction, that they narrowed . Welcome This website was founded by dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? friends, Ijust ran across this. 16:14) However, in this article, we will also use the term Armageddon to refer to the war that immediately follows the gathering of the kings of the earth. Murderers! Her grandfather laughed when Armageddon didn't happen in 1914, CT Russell was sweating bullets because he didn't know what to say to anyone, he was panicking and pacing back and forth all night, they were . Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah. How about, we live productive, simple lives with good christian character, while being fully aware that this system is temporary and being willing and ready to do what we need to do when the time comes?? Yes, the survivors will be absolutely right when they proclaim, "Jehovah God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judicial decisions."Rev. There may be some infighting about this as there was in Franz' day, but some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! 16:13,14) That coalition is called Gog of the land of Magog. When the nations launch their attack, they will have arrived at the symbolic place called Armageddon.Rev. "The year 1940 is certain to be the most important year yet, because Armageddon is very near. 11 Replies After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,' says the apostle Paul, '[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.' Armageddon Is Good News! Or will the Witnesses break up into various factions and branches before it even reaches that stage? Since the generation that overlapped with the eagle-eyed anointed that saw the enthronement that also overlapped the end of the gentile times. 12 God will not allow the nations to destroy his people. 19:11, 14,15) But what about Jehovahs chief enemy, Satan, whose lying propaganda led the nations to Armageddon? Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. when would they say their 144,000 would come from. 1. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? Because of this, some have called them false prophets. God gave the people in Noah's day 120 years, and perhaps he was giving us 120 years also. (Rev. Their organization, being patterned after the first-century Christian congregation, is blessed by Jehovah. Each year they gather into the organization tens of thousands of new ministers, clearly a product of Jehovah's spirit operating through his invisible King-Son and his angelic representatives, then through his faithful slave class on earth today.- . (1John 2:3-5; 5:3) When we show that we know God, we have the honor of being known by him, which will be lifesaving at Armageddon! Wherever they are on earth, Gods people will trust in him when the attack is launched (See paragraph13)*. (1Cor. (see earlier thread) That is not so easy to call. It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that saluting flags, including that of the United States, is tantamount to worshipping a graven image. Jehovah's Witnesses are among the most racially and ethnically diverse religious groups in America. THE SUPREME COURT STILL INTERPRETS, thank God; and Christ Jesus, the Court?s official mouthpiece of interpretation, reserves to himself that office as head of Jehovah?s ?faithful and wise servant? 1. (Rev. Therefore the great climax has been reached. Was the Siege at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Worst in World History? {WT 6}. At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. The purpose is to encourage honesty and transparency in a religious group that considers itself God's organization on Earth - [] How about just being aware, alert, ready? And so will many other people. #1 would make the most sense from a business prospective but I don't see them resisting #2. (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. Notice, though, that Jesus did not liken his presence to the Flood of Noahs day, an event in time, but to the days of Noah, a climatic period of time. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? Probably just be worrying about whether my teeth will stay in while I'm eating my oatmeal. Page 15, Paragraph 9 "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'". copied from: http://www.jwfiles.com/2034.htm. 9. She has used her power and influence to exploit her flocks. Either that or there is a contradiction between Matthew and Luke on this matter. How should we respond to warnings we have been given? Just google Armageddon 2034. . (Acts 1:6) But because expectations have at times been premature and so have not been fulfilled, does this mean that God has somehow changed his purpose? I doubt they'll come out with a specific date in the near future. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? 8 Replies Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. You know how they expected the end of the world in 1843/4? Those events occurred over many decades. And it will save mankind by protecting our planet from ruin. All his enemies will be destroyed. The group took on the name International Bible Students Association and by 1914 it . I'm the guy for the job! 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. Is it some brilliant, farsighted man, some human who is a master organizer? This works for the current GB as some of them will be alive in 2034 but all will be dead by 2154! 9 Jehovah will not wipe out Satans entire world all at once, as he did in Noahs day. 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. Because of our eagerness, we have hoped for the new system earlier than Jehovah's timetable has called for it. some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! From what I've read in the forum, the doctrine change has been a fairly stealthy one and hasn't fully registered in the consciousness of the rank and file (especially with the WTS still shouting the "end is near! How can we remain faithful as Armageddon draws near? cit., p. 31). We are certainly in 'the time of the end.' Growth slowed substantially in the 1960s and the board of directors panicked. A former Jehovah's Witness has offered a rare insight into the religious group, describing it as a cult that "tries to control emotions, thought, information and behavior of a person". Possibly. SONG 143 Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting. Do Jehovah?s Witnesses claim that Jehovah God speaks through them? It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. (Ps. Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! *** Watchtower 1965 June 1 p.352 Questions from Readers ***. Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie. So, they've cut expenses to the bone (with more cuts on the way I would imagine). (Matt. And it's as full of "happy" people who love to be fooled as ever. Zoning, tax questions. But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. It will serve as a signal announcing the great tribulation. 3 Read Revelation 16:14,16. 16:16. 3. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. Can I get a witness, a vote, a bundle of cash like a thieving theologian? The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034. This calculation is based in the year 1914 as the begining of the last days plus the. King of the North 1914 to Armageddon; GT Timeline. To become, i.e. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' For further information, consult the article on this web site: A Study of Matthew Twenty-four. We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them.'' 11ff); it affirmed that Armageddon indeed was near. 3. Answer (1 of 23): Jehovah God is the ONLY one who decides who will have the privilege of being anointed/born again or not. They were not the first group to resist mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, but their resistance was the most widespread, coordinated, and uncompromising. Their strength will be in keeping calm and showing trust in Jehovah and his heavenly armies.Isa. Very soon they will be given that opportunity. All this activity is not an accident. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. "It is easy for the established churched of Christendom and other people to criticize JWs because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on 'certain dates'.True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materializee at the anticipated time. rutus produceremus solvendus domino pingit emittetis in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 u 200 s 90 0 p 60 r 80 o 50 d 4 u 200 c 3 e 5 r 80 e 5 m 30 u 200 s 90 0 s 90 o 50 l 20 v 700 e 5 n 40 d 4 u 200 s 90 0 d 4 o 50 m 30 i 9 n 40 o 50 0 p 60 i 9 n 40 g 7 i 9 t 100 0 e 5 m 30 i 9 t 100 t 100 e 5 t 100 i 9 s in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 . Pin On Jehovah S Witnesses On The Move . Introduction. It behooves all who love righteousness to put forth every effort to advertise THE THEOCRACY while the privileges are still open" ( The Informant, May . I read the french version of this Watchtower edition and it was clearly suggested that the end might be in 2034 Do you have any comment about it? 1:6-9. Jehovah God is therefore the only Supreme Court of interpretation of His inspired word. To such remnant of faithful servants of Jehovah God Christ Jesus has entrusted all ?his goods?, or earthly interests of the Kingdom. Why will the proclamation of peace and security be a dangerous lie? In a similar way, Christ's presence includes the events leading up to and including the great tribulation. | *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in. Yes, they have. See also our book: {glossSub (Courier Publications,Revelation Jesus Christs Final Message of Hope; Select Studies from the Apocalypse)}. Interrupt them. by xbro Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah.' The phrase is taken from Jesus' words in the book of Matthew. 4 Why did Jehovah connect the final great war with Megiddo? In fact they go so far as to say that unless one calls on the true name of God, "Jehovah," one cannot be saved. 11 Jehovah will destroy the great prostitute by means of the ten horns of a scarlet-colored wild beast. That figurative wild beast represents the United Nations. How many religions have voluntarily "ceased operations/closed for business"? ^ par. (2 Tim. friends. If we have once established what instrument God is using as his "slave" to dispense spiritual food to his people, surely Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. Only the best I'll accept, I learned well from the HUMBLE Governing Body, oh yeah! The leaders of the Watchtower Organization have long taught their members that THEY, and THEY, alone, are "appointed by Jesus" to dispense His truth, or, as it is put to the rank-and-file, "spiritual food," and that if a Jehovah's Witness does not follow the teachings of the Watchtower, and remain "faithful" to the Watchtower Organization, they are "going against God and His . 17:16) So Gog will expect an easy victory. Even the Watchtowers Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures acknowledges the force of the original text by this rendition of the term apotrepou, and these be turning yourself away from.. 1-2. How foolish to take the view that expectations needing some adjustment should call into question the whole body of truth! It fit together so nicely. This means that 0.236% of Jehovah's Witnesses have died of Covid-19, over 4 times higher than the global rate in August 2021 of 0.051%. The Scriptures we were taught to use as Jehovah's Witnesses when we preached the Watchtower's "good news" concerning the reestablishing of God's Kingdom had more to do with the nation of Israel and God's covenant with the Jewish people rather that the real "good news" of Jesus Christ. "Why 1999? Yet nothing happened. We will (1)share in the ministry as long as that is possible, (2)maintain our program of study, and (3)continue to trust in Gods protection. He plainly declared: this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (v. 34). (The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 258), 1917 "It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918." 77:12) These activities, along with a full share in the ministry, will keep our faith strong and our hope alive! A Numerologist can always add 30 or 40 years to the last date that failed because it was based on Numerology and go on like all is well. -2 Thess. I recall giving a PT about the last days (early 90s) and even using the argument that we were almost at the 80 year anniversary of 1914 and that generation didn't have many left. (b)Why will our knowing Jehovah prove to be a blessing at Armageddon? Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? Why? 7. 5. 4. The Jehovah's Witnesses website provides details on the 1.7 million-square-foot project, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. but this is the central "seven times" framework which apostate Jehovah's witnesses are now trying to "trample" to buried meaninglessness . If an organization is to be fully theocratic, it must be directed and controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates. We can take the prophetic time, and time-and-a-half, apply it to the preaching work done by Noah to come up with a parallel even realized by the inspection. (Watchtower 1925, p. 56), 1940 The Kingdom is here, the King is enthroned. Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' 2034,that would make my husband 84yrs old.But i thought it was any day now.Same crap,keep the flock in line with death threats no matter how long it takes. They will then be part of the heavenly armies that will crush Gog and safeguard a great crowd of sheeplike ones. We must, therefore, insist that the Scriptures do not teach that Armageddon is a carnal conflict that is a precursor to the end of earths history. This explains how Witnesses, even in western countries, were able to demonstrate significant increases in the 1980s and early 1990s. He merely uses the ?servant? But there is one important difference between the two conflicts. They will make her devastated and naked by plundering her wealth and exposing her wickedness. At 1Thessalonians 5:2, Jehovahs day refers to the great tribulation. (Rev. Why, for instance, were there actually more pioneers (% wise) in the late 1980s than leading up to 1975? A generation could be considered 40 years. (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? Fred Franz was allowed to write his prediction about 1975 in the "Life Everlasting" book. www.opendialoguemediations.com. While there may be some complimentary things that could be said of these obviously sincere people (their evangelistic energy level is admirable), prophetic accuracy is not among them. Sure, you'd lose some members but I would bet you'd keep more born-ins who view JWism as just another religion. Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be.'). 19:11-15. 1993 3/22 Why So Many False Alarms? In Matthew 24:5ff, Christ set forth a number of signs that would herald the impending destruction of Jerusalem. 3. Will religious leaders participate? And oh yeah! (August 15, 1950, page 263) "The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Nothing is said about God bringing a genocide. I think a western shrinkage will start in the 2020's and a organizational shift toward the third world will happen. Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. 346-348 pars. The WBTS continued through the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, to warn that Armageddon was coming near. PRIVACY POLICY Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). 17 The good news about our Lord Jesus includes all the truths that Jesus taught, as found in Gods Word. The common-sense rules of responsible exegesis are thrust aside with reckless abandon. 6. Time will tell. appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. (Isa. Try as they might to dress it up well in talks and the publications, ordinary Witnesses knew in their gut that the society were saying they simply did not know how long the old system might last. Out of zeal and enthusiasm for the vindication of Jehovah's name, Word and purposes, and the desire for the new system, some of his servants have at times been premature in their expectations. watchtower They may be surprised by the sudden start of Jehovahs day, but they will not be caught off guard. Tweet. As the Bible states, These persons are SELECTED by Jehovah. The 'end' did not come. 15. What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? The apostle writes: But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. Babylon the Great has brought much reproach on Gods name. Yes, sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman. What about Jehovahs loyal servants? Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization , Jehovah's anointed witnesses on earth. Period. 18. More important, imagine how profoundly happy you will be when Gods name and sovereignty have been fully vindicated! A replacement for Freddy is still awaited. . For example, by the waters of Megiddo, God helped Israelite Judge Barak defeat a Canaanite army led by a chief named Sisera. Do Jehovah?s Witnesses claim to be a prophet of Jehovah? . And you can tell when Armageddon is near when you see the things . Well, I'll be, let's see74 then. (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment 1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. . Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. Where the Adventists have been, the Witnesses will follow. Copyright 2023 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. With these rich truths to light the way, Christians do not grope in this dark, jungle-like world as do the masses of people in Christendom and heathendom alike. Rather, he compared his presence to the much longer period of time that led up to the Flood. 16. watchtower As we have seen in recent years, subtlety isn't working; they've gone bat-crap crazy in their bluntness. I don't know what I am talking about read this post at your peril. 18:4) They have also worked hard to help others flee from her. (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404), 1920 'we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of from the condition of death, being resurrected' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 88), 1920 'Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89-90), 1922 "The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Armageddon is just ahead. Let us consider each of these in turn. Because that will be 120 years from when the Watchtower was first published. if this generation is meant an era then it is to be 200yrs so1914+200=2114. To receive everlasting life in the earthly we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it. (C.T. If they keep going the way they do, I see a slow death by a thousand cuts. Per Jehovah's Witnesses' theology, Armageddon is preceded by a period of time known as "the great tribulation.". (Isa. beliefs, Is the Watchtower Predicting The End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints? At Armageddon, Gods people will not fight.