And by the time we get to late 1960, he's beginning to think that maybe he's made a mistake -- he's not quite sure, but he's thinking that. So hes very upbeat up on it. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. Explore FRONTLINEs collected and ongoing reporting on Russia's war on Ukraine. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. For this 2003 publication of the interview, Mr. Blakey has added a notation to those questions touching on the CIA, and refers the reader to a long addendum at the end of the interview that reflects his opinion on the CIA in light of current revelations. You cant set that aside just because he is saying, Im a patsy. Id love to do that, but you cannot. Hes on a downhill run. With each failure to settle in, with each failure to secure a job or hold onto that job, with each failure to secure an apartment or placate his wife, to build any kind of life with each failure, his internal pressure mounts. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. This was something all his own. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. Plus, Bob Schieffer remembers his own run-in. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? I think three major things [were] on his mind at that particular time. What do you do with his pistol? Cuenta y Listas Devoluciones . I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" What do you do with his pistol? She clearly saw in Oswald a ticket to ride, an opportunity to leave Russia. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as Im concerned the Warren Commission was correct. I had to ask him very serious questions. Find out in the 2015 documentary Outbreak, newly available to stream on FRONTLINEs YouTube channel. Marina repeated to McMillan what she told the Warren Commission in 1964--that her husband was not capable of being recruited as a conspirator, and that he most likely acted alone in killing President Kennedy. He wasnt political. Killing Oswald: Directed by Shane O'Sullivan. What did he do? What do you do with his rifle? Last month Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting in an interview on the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, said: "To this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Youve got all the physical evidence that ties together. Hed actually applied for Albert Schweitzers school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. What was going on there? Be the first one to, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald In Moscow, ReporterThatInterviewedLeeHarveyOswaldInMoscow, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, ALINE MOSBY SPEAKING IN PARIS ABOUT INTERVIEWING LEE HARVEY OSWALD IN MOSCOW IN 1959.mp4, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald in Moscow.mp4, ALINE MOSBY SPEAKING IN PARIS ABOUT INTERVIEWING LEE HARVEY OSWALD IN MOSCOW IN 1959.ogv, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald in Moscow.ogv, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn't -- to me, it gets down to what happened later on. Fingeroth also conducted interviews with Ruby family members and associates. Our mother was Lee's most important person in his life. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? He knew something they didn't know, and he would keep it to himself. It just floors me, it floored me then. When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". He had fallen deeply for Ella, and he had proposed to her and she had said no, and he saw in Marina somebody who was meant to distract him and carry him forward. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. I didnt know but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. As chief counsel to the 1977 House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey led the investigation into President John F. Kennedy's assassination, reexamining the evidence with a new forensics panel. We had an old black-and-white. So he thought hed get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. It was a terrible thing to look at. tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy It maybe opened up some doors for him. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. We also talked about her time as a reporter in Moscow in 1959 when she met 20-year-old American defector Lee Harvey Oswald in her hotel. Very garrulous, very sexual, very clear about her objectives. The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan because of the clothes he purchased at the time. They wasnt going to convince him to say something. In one of the Warren Commission's exhibits, Hal Collins is listed as a character reference by Ruby on a Texas liquor license application.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby If Ukrainian intelligence did penetrate Putin's inner circle, Budanov would have never publicly blurted it out. NL. He didnt elaborate on that. I think that Marina's a very complicated character, and I think it's fair to say in Oswald she saw a very good opportunity. But the facts are there. Marina was upbeat on it. . He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. He's failing at almost every level. New York City. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted . David Austin Walsh is the editor of the History News Network. He was on his own in libraries. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say "Well, let's really see what this is about." They even asked me if Id ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA. I said, What did you tell them? He says, Well, dont you know? and he just laughed. Hallo Bestemming kiezen Alle. For Oswald, he never ever has a sense of home, or rootedness, and it fills him with this sense of rage, which he not surprisingly directs against his mother. ", I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lees formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brothers love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as I Led Three Lives, became the training ground for his imagination. He says that the hard physical evidence from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: The Warren Commission was correct. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINEs Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. In fact, she is quick to get moving on the bureaucratic process involved in that to emigrate. What would it be? You don't think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? The Soviets executed him on May 17, 1963. He wasnt present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. It was a game to him. That to me is very plausible for him to do. I think it says that he is very pragmatic, and he's going to go with the punches. Interview'The defense actually made a pretty good case' Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV, yet his trial was no slam dunk In new book 'Kennedy's Avenger,' Dan Abrams and David. The Hartford Files And his disenchantment began to morph into a kind of anger and frustration. He's on a downhill run. When you do have a human asset in heart . A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. Learn more It's cable reimagined No DVR space. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. Hed made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? He wasn't political. That was our affectionate name for Mother. In a private note to one of his attorneys, Joseph Tonahill, Ruby wrote: \"Joe, you should know this. " I'm just a patsy!"Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald the Assassin? I was just completely in the dark. Oswald met and married Marina in the Soviet. He failed at both. Whats the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? Marguerite Oswald, mother of slain accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, is shown in New York with attorney Mark Lane on February 17, 1964, after testifying in Washington before. The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. . That's the way I read him at the time. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. I didn't know -- but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. What kind of a Marxist was he? Soviet officials, puzzled by the sight of Oswald, sent him to Minsk, where he would live until 1962, returning to the United States with a wife and infant daughter, along with a murderous rage that will culminate in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963. I anticipated, and I said to the family, "He'll be back within a year." He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. According to Robert Oswald, the "hard physical evidence" leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? The first thing he says is -- and he points to it -- "It's tapped." Show more Comments are turned off. He only had the Marxist argot. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. Gerald Hill.. Why do you think that so many Americans still cannot accept that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy. His fellow Marines called him Oswaldskovich, because he never shut up about his admiration for communism or the Soviet Union. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! But things were tight at that time. I'm sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. Even fifty years later, Oswald's Minsk period remains understudied, despite the fact that Oswald's time in the Soviet Union was the longest period of stability in his life. She could really become somebody from New York real easy when shes in Texas, putting on the air[s], whatever you call it. He would awaken relatively early in his apartment, and he would walk about eight minutes to the radio factory where he worked in the experimental department, and he probably would have been there until late afternoon or early evening, ate dinner, he might have read a good bit -- he was fond of reading -- visited friends, gone to the conservatory or the opera, which was a short walk away from his apartment, and he probably would have retired early. Theres hard physical evidence there. This was his grand experience at the time. There is a power that comes from Marxist doctrine, a sense of belonging to something right now that is on the cusp of doing something very, very important. Hola, identifcate. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." The shooting was broadcast live nationally, and millions of television viewers witnessed it. That's almost unbelievable. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? He says, "Well, don't you know?" To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. He really wasnt. Providing exclusive original content and interviews with some of the best known voices in the world of economics and precious metals. Of course, we can't extricate ourselves permanently or perfectly from wherever it is we come from, no matter how much we try, and we are always functions of our place, even if we wish not to be. I said, If you told me everything youve done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done. I said, If that never came about, if you didnt really betray the country and you only attempted to do it and they didnt let you do it anyway legally, then it seems to me you have a basis. I said, We can look into it. Advertisement Read the story | More coverage. That was a training ground [for] his imagination. I wasnt real sure what the explanation was. This was something all his own. Tragically, he accomplished that. It was wall-to-wall reporters, police officers, FBI, Secret Service. Later, after the Kennedy assassination, McMillan befriended Oswald's widow, Marina, and the two spent considerable time together. Lee Harvey Oswald Shooting: Interview with Eyewitnesses - Reporters, Police (2012) Way Back 26.4K subscribers 439 185K views 8 years ago Later in the day, after driving into town with his two. 2 thoughts on "Stew Peter's interviews Lee Harvey Oswald's Girlfriend about the JFK Assasination". She had been overbearing or whatever. But Lee had that same personality type. He was what's convenient to be. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. So youre saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? This was his grand experience at the time. I said, "We can look into it. He's deeply unhappy and he stumbles on this whole world that stands in direct opposition to the world that he comes from. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when hes coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. . He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. Lee. on May 8, 2016. LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S COMPLETE AUGUST 1963 WDSU-TV INTERVIEW David Von Pein's JFK Channel 44.3K subscribers Subscribe 415 71K views 9 years ago Three months before he assassinated President. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family -- what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, Me, myself and I will do something.. Hes going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. He was ready. We spent some time together. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. This might have been the first leaflet that he ever got from anybody on the street. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. Even though Oswald says in his diary that Marina was surprised when he informed her he wanted to go back to the United States, she never puts any resistance. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. Jack Ruby changed history with one bold, violent action: killing accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV two days after the November 22, 1963, murder of President John F. Kennedy. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial.\" At the time of the shooting Ruby said he was taking phenmetrazine, a central nervous system stimulant.Ruby's explanation for killing Oswald would be \"exposed as a fabricated legal ploy\", according to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. They didnt finalize that. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. He would talk about anything else. What was his wife, Marina, like? Visitors can watch a large bank of television sets recalling the Kennedy assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald's capture. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. He said no, he wanted that one up there. But he had prepared answers and statements, anticipating reporters either at the ship or some place down the line on the return. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say Well, lets really see what this is about. That to me is very plausible for him to do. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers and by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? We're talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet . None took him seriously. Yes, I think that there is a process here, in the same way there had been a process in the Soviet Union, in the same way there'd been a process in the Marines, and the same way there'd been a process coursing through his adolescence. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. Can you describe that for me? There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. If you had to take a guess about when he got his political beliefs, how he was introduced to Marxism, what would you guess? We talked about this at a great length during that first week. They're not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. This edition focuses on accused John F. Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, wondering whether he was a "lone gunman, conspirator, or patsy." . I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." But I think all of Oswald's remarks are included here.To hear Lee Harvey Oswald's two radio interviews, go here:http://Oswald-On-The-Radio.blogspot.com FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of WGBH Educational Foundation. He says that the "hard physical evidence" from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. There's a great deal of self-involvement, there's a great deal of desire to elevate himself, to become this world-historical figure. Marina Oswald and her mother-in-law, Marguerite Claverie Oswald, are seen through a window at the Dallas police station where her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald was being held in the. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. Thompson's new book, "Last Second in Dallas", comes to a startling conclusion about Lee Harvey Oswald, who . What was he expecting when he went to the Soviet Union? He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. Historian Priscilla Johnson McMillan was a reporter in Moscow in the 1950s and interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald shortly after his defection to the Soviet Union. [To those who say,] "He didn't own a rifle." I think that's an understatement. There's another seed that's planted in him that stayed there forever. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. When he returned to the United States, he didnt want to be a Russian. . The Most Risky Job Ever. Reporting on ISIS in Afghanistan. In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? ** = At least this version is the most \"complete\" version I have ever seen, although a little bit of editing has certainly been done at the very beginning, because we don't hear the interviewer's first question to Oswald. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? The big question is why. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. You've got the backyard picture. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? Buscar Amazon.es. Web Site Copyright 1995-2023 WGBH Educational Foundation. Hes failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. She has no control over him. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. In many respects, once he got beyond the superficialities, he found the actual substance, the content, the experience of communism and the Soviet Union very difficult to navigate. With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. In his interview with FRONTLINE, Blakey calls the prosecution case against Lee Harvey Oswald "open and shut." I wasn't real sure what the explanation was. On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. This is mind over heart. His mother had the same type of imagination. He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. He finally got a job that wasn't exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. Thats almost unbelievable. Five or six eyewitnesses there. We talked about family matters. It maybe opened up some doors for him. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, I need to be someplace else. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. He struggled. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. web pages She is wanting to go back to Russia. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. He said no, that wasn't necessary, he could take care of it. He was toying with them. You look at that last year his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. Hes failing at almost every level. And he was in the Marines as well. So if we don't understand something, we assume that there is some sort of plot or conspiracy -- that there is an order, and we're just not seeing it. Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. Theres another seed thats planted in him that stayed there forever. The National Archives released almost 1,500 documents including CIA cables and memos on Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before the JFK assassination. But things were tight at that time. Here was a start. WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. The committee found that there was a "probable conspiracy," suggesting that parts of the Mafia and/or certain anti-Castro Cuban groups "may have been involved.". Its there; put it to rest. The book's findings will catapult you into a trip through a house . Theyve got your rifle. Posner also discusses the actions, motivations and mob connections of Jack Ruby, who murdered Oswald. In his new book, The Interloper: Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union Peter Savodnik, a journalist who lived and worked in Moscow and has extensively traveled around the former Soviet Union, dives into the foreign life of America's most notorious assassin. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? Every move is prompted by one of his mother Marguerite's failures -- personal, professional, or otherwise. That was it. He wants to get some experience and write about it. Hes thinking about going to Cuba. Theyve got the camera. So he thought he'd get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. Ga naar primaire content.nl. ", A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. Lees trying. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they werent interested in it. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough.